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Thursday, April 30, 2009

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 02:55 +0300, Moshe Maeir wrote:
> You might be right, since it seems you know the story better that I
> do.

I never said that I know the story better, only that I remember what was
said at the time and what is said now is all new and different even
though its all supposed to be over the same time period and all that.

>
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

You might be right, since it seems you know the story better that I do. Still it is not a pretty site for the company or their customers.
Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:

On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 02:01 +0300, Moshe Maeir wrote:

This is all I know http://www.jeremy-mcnamara.com/2009/03/31/how-the-hell-happened-to-nufone/ sounds like a sad story....

 http://voxilla.com/2005/07/01/voip-fraud-the-industrys-best-kept-secret-362  if you read that, it shows that he was selling a product he didnt understand - telephone minutes.  Further it shows that he was not paying attention to the terms of contracts and such, as a result he got hit with a lot of charges.  What is interesting is that the story appears to have changed slightly with the personal blog entry as opposed to what was said at the time that it started going south.  There are several articles quoting Jeremy talking about how he was "scammed"  because he was foolishly selling service for less than it cost him under terms that left him holding the bag.  Looking at it this way, if Best Buy is selling items for less than their cost,  and I buy them and sell them on ebay, I am not scamming them, they sold it below their cost I just bought as many as I could so I could turn a profit (and this really did happen with me, best buy, and mp3 players).  I see no difference with someone else selling something for below their cost without putting in contractual requirements.  The FCC also agrees with this in one case where they specifically said that its on carriers to file tariffs and do contracts that protect them and not complain after the fact that someone used a service they underpriced.

Moshe Maeir

Chief Flattening Officer

The Flat Planet Phone Co.

http://www.flatplanetphone.com

Re: [asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 02:01 +0300, Moshe Maeir wrote:
> This is all I know
> http://www.jeremy-mcnamara.com/2009/03/31/how-the-hell-happened-to-nufone/
> sounds like a sad story....

http://voxilla.com/2005/07/01/voip-fraud-the-industrys-best-kept-secret-362

if you read that, it shows that he was selling a product he didnt
understand - telephone minutes. Further it shows that he was not paying
attention to the terms of contracts and such, as a result he got hit
with a lot of charges. What is interesting is that the story appears to
have changed slightly with the personal blog entry as opposed to what
was said at the time that it started going south.

There are several articles quoting Jeremy talking about how he was
"scammed" because he was foolishly selling service for less than it
cost him under terms that left him holding the bag. Looking at it this
way, if Best Buy is selling items for less than their cost, and I buy
them and sell them on ebay, I am not scamming them, they sold it below
their cost I just bought as many as I could so I could turn a profit
(and this really did happen with me, best buy, and mp3 players). I see
no difference with someone else selling something for below their cost
without putting in contractual requirements. The FCC also agrees with
this in one case where they specifically said that its on carriers to
file tariffs and do contracts that protect them and not complain after
the fact that someone used a service they underpriced.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

On 1/05/2009 10:09 a.m., Trevor Hammonds wrote:
> I have been unable to reach NuFone.net since earlier today. There
> website is also unreachable. I was wondering if anyone else is
> experiencing this, and also if anyone knows of the viability of the company.

Looks like their DNS entries are gone? Maybe they forgot to renew their
domain name?

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

This is all I know http://www.jeremy-mcnamara.com/2009/03/31/how-the-hell-happened-to-nufone/ sounds like a sad story....
Trevor Hammonds wrote:

I have been unable to reach NuFone.net since earlier today. There website is also unreachable. I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this, and also if anyone knows of the viability of the company.

Any information will be appreciated.

Sincerely,
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Moshe Maeir

Chief Flattening Officer

The Flat Planet Phone Co.

http://www.flatplanetphone.com

[asterisk-biz] Is NuFone dead?

I have been unable to reach NuFone.net since earlier today. There website is also unreachable. I was wondering if anyone else is experiencing this, and also if anyone knows of the viability of the company.

Any information will be appreciated.

Sincerely,
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[asterisk-biz] FW: Update: HD Communications Summit in NYC

Anyone from the asterisk list going to this?

I'm not because I don't have a commercial reason to be there to fund my
ticket but do you want to organize an Asterisk get together after the
event or the night before etc?

Regards,

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+61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial).
+44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial).

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From: Jeff Pulver [mailto:jeff@pulver.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:17 AM
To: Dean Collins
Subject: Update: HD Communications Summit in NYC

During 2009 I have been thinking about how to recharge and bring
excitement back into the communications industry. As a result, I am now
involved in a project I am calling - reboot:Telecom.

On May 21st I am hosting a worldwide gathering of people invited from
the communications industry who will be exploring the next big frontier
in the future of communications: High Def Voice.

More information about the summit can be found at:
http://www.HDComms.com

I would appreciate it if you take a moment and forward this email to the
people you know who would benefit from being aware of this event.

Hope all is well.

Best regards, Jeff

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this image of silke stoddard's knitting is burned into my mind and tatooed on my heart.

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i have always dreamed of going to ireland, (and scotland too- mccaleb), to research our family history, and to see the green grass in real life.

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I know often community members have asked for examples of major
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and totally not what you are supposed to be eating

cate was so happy she began yelling "let's give a hand to springtime!

i love the comments i get from all of you.

we are happily enjoying being able to play outside again.

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corned beef is cheap meat, a head of cabbage is less than 50 cents, and i bet you have all the ingredients for the bread in your cupboard. you should make this meal tonight!

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i made this one for a gift, but i've already cast on another for moi.

there's a tiny restaurant

i love that she's an expert knitter and yet chooses to create very simple pieces;

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she's amazing.

i found that amazing old shirt (we're big fans) at the thrift store for $1 and it's so soft.

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i am going to turn on some good music and choose to be happy.

last minute trip to idaho to see my sister- so much better than home blogging!

my sister and hair stylist, coco, is coming to utah county once again to meet our hair needs.

(i hate in quilting and knitting and sewing when the designs get all fancy just because they can).

the best part of dinner was the irish soda bread- it was so so good, and it's really easy to make.

here's an irish blessing from us to you...

wooohoooo!"

there's a tiny restaurant

cate was so happy she began yelling "let's give a hand to springtime!

trust me, you'll want her working her magic on you.

i was chuckling while i cooked thinking about how my irish grandparents always had a plaque on their wall with this prayer on it: "may you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows your dead" ha!

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the ms craft dept was featured in an article, and their personal crafting projects were shown.

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and totally not what you are supposed to be eating

i found that amazing old shirt (we're big fans) at the thrift store for $1 and it's so soft.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Qview

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2009/4/30 Ole Bülow <ob@just-eat.com>

Hi All,

For a big monitor in my call centre i need an application or website which can show queue status (how many callers in queue and time, stat, etc.).
I found a perl script called qview, which supposedly should be able to do the trick out of the box, but cant seem to get it to work.

Does anyone know if its still working (its from 2003) or does anyone have a similar script or program which they could direct me to?

Kind regards

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Qview

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[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Ole B?low
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2009 8:48 AM
To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com
Subject: [asterisk-biz] Qview

Hi All,

For a big monitor in my call centre i need an application or website which
can show queue status (how many callers in queue and time, stat, etc.).
I found a perl script called qview, which supposedly should be able to do
the trick out of the box, but cant seem to get it to work.

Does anyone know if its still working (its from 2003) or does anyone have a
similar script or program which they could direct me to?

Kind regards

Ole Bülow
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did anyone else sustain life with saltines from the ages of 13-17

with that heres the stuff i eat salad with chicken a different salad with chicken repeat repeat this is the hard thing about it not a ton of delicious options im kind of kidding ive found a few other yummy things too

he is the perfect mix to me of blues and folk and funk and feeling

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from the spring/summer 09 toast catalog

my problem dear anne is that it is 2009 kids dont like to get all fussied up anymore and i dont think they would go to the trouble of making up stories about lost broaches to be able to go to a silly church picnic in my mind the little girls are wearing spring dresses and holding parasols with their gloved hands while the boys are eating biscuits and drinking homemade rootbeer with their hats and suspenders on but i live in a dreamland where i want everything stylized i know you understand me anne

we lived on a corner in a typical oc tract neighborhood

i thought id live there forever one day when i was 12 my dad quit his job and we moved to lake tahoe it rocked my stable world

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again happy things

dear anne shirley its been a long time since i last wrote but i need your advice i am planning a primary activity for this spring since our theme for the year is my eternal family and we like to have our activities point the children to what they are learning i thought it might be nice if we have a picnic on or near the grounds of the mt timpanogos temple and let them bask in the beauty of that place and reflect on the importance of their own eternal family

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[asterisk-biz] Qview

Hi All,

For a big monitor in my call centre i need an application or website which can show queue status (how many callers in queue and time, stat, etc.).
I found a perl script called qview, which supposedly should be able to do the trick out of the box, but cant seem to get it to work.

Does anyone know if its still working (its from 2003) or does anyone have a similar script or program which they could direct me to?

Kind regards

Ole Bülow
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We can surely port that number for you, is this a north American TF ? or
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Sent: April-29-09 2:39 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: [asterisk-biz] 1-800 port

I need to transfer my toll free number from now defunct Asterlink.

Anyone?

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Re: [asterisk-biz] 1-800 port

Teliax can help. We can port numbers and provide you with a new account.

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On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Hermann Wecke <hermann@wecke.com> wrote:

I need to transfer my toll free number from now defunct Asterlink.

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from the spring/summer 09 toast catalog

cate chose these pretty little traditional valentines cards from bunny cakes i love them

a little note for my valentine

(but honestly i dont snack alot when you eat so much protein you dont get hungry as often through the day)

and again when you are at a good weight and having regular cycles you can absolutely add in a lot more whole wheat and whole grain foods as well as all fruits and vegetables and other good carbs like beans if your cycles get a little kooky or you gain weight thats when you know you need to reduce again

she follows me around all day just in case she might be needed for something anything cute little penny is just a wee dog but she feels strongly that part of her duty is to scare the crap out of anyone who gets near our house just so they know no one is going to mess with her family not on her watch she is undeterred by bigger animals and scary men- they all get yelled at to stay away

me 1982

i know some people dont love the whole valentines thing but it is so fun to me i dont care if the greeting card company made it up- any day where i get to be pretty treated with sweetness have a declicious dinner and some romance is right on in my book

let me preface this by saying that there is no one size fits all eating plan for someone with hormonal issues for some women cysts irregular cycles lack of ovulation and too much testosterone and its effects are directly related to bad insulin regulation in their body for these women they may be able to restore better regularity with avoiding blood sugar spikes by not eating carbohydrates therefore eliminating the insulin problem that is why so many women can conceive with metformin or glucophage because these medicines work at that level

i thought id live there forever one day when i was 12 my dad quit his job and we moved to lake tahoe it rocked my stable world

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i look for girls with purses that compliment mine

from toast

grant and i listened and danced to his music on valentines day

and i cheat like alot well usually i ease up on weekends but i feel so crappy and bloated again that i cant wait to start eating right on monday but i have kind of had to tell myself this is just the new lifestyle and if i want to indulge every now and again im going to cause id rather die than not be able to have some chips and guac or a slice of cake every now and again so if i eat like this 90% of the time then ive noticed that my body or the scale doesnt mind if i wander in my choices a bit the other 10% exercising everyday helps with this too i feel like its a great trade off- feeling great and a regular period for a little self control

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i am determined to get the house clean so i can relax and sew tomorrow.

(so is corned beef if you've never tried it).

i have always dreamed of going to ireland, (and scotland too- mccaleb), to research our family history, and to see the green grass in real life.

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and totally not what you are supposed to be eating

i love the comments i get from all of you.

1. in the craft room i throw everything on the homework table. that clears up the floor for more mess craft making.

simple is always prettiest to me.

you've gotta love people with humor like that.

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[asterisk-announce] Asterisk 1.6.1.0 Now Available

The Asterisk Development Team is pleased to announce the release of Asterisk
1.6.1.0. Asterisk 1.6.1.0 is available for immediate download at
http://downloads.digium.com/pub/asterisk/

This is the first release in the 1.6.1 branch, which has additional features
added since 1.6.0. Please see the CHANGES file for more information about the
additional functionality

For those upgrading from previous versions of Asterisk, it is advisable to
review the UPGRADE.txt file:

http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/tags/1.6.1.0/UPGRADE.txt

Some highlights about changes in this release:
----------------------------------------------

* It is now possible to specify a pattern match as a hint. Once a phone
subscribes to something that matches the pattern a hint will be created using
the contents and variables evaluated.

* IAX2 encryption support has been improved to support periodic key rotation
within a call for enhanced security. The option "keyrotate" has been
provided to disable this functionality to preserve backwards compatibility
with older versions of IAX2 that do not support key rotation.

* res_odbc no longer has a limit of 1023 total possible unshared connections,
as some people were running into this limit. This limit has been increased
to 4.2 billion.

* Several (ODBC, Postgres, MySQL, SQLite) realtime drivers have been given
adaptive capabilities. What this means in practical terms is that if your
realtime table lacks critical fields, Asterisk will now emit warnings to
that effect. Also, some of the realtime drivers have the ability (if
configured) to automatically add those columns to the table with the
correct type and length.

* Config file variables may now be appended to, by using the '+=' append
operator. This is most helpful when working with long SQL queries in
func_odbc.conf, as the queries no longer need to be specified on a single
line.

* Many many other changes that are too numerous to list here. See:

http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/tags/1.6.1.0/CHANGES

For a summary of the changes in this release, please see the release summary:

http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/tags/1.6.1.0/asterisk-1.6.1.0-summary.txt

For a full list of changes in this release, please see the ChangeLog:

http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk/tags/1.6.1.0/ChangeLog

The following list of issues were resolved with the participation of the
community, and this release would not have been possible without your help!

* Allow disconnect feature before a call is bridged
- Closes issue #11583. Submitted by sobomax. Tested and additional coding
by sobomax, dvossel, murf.

* Update app_fax to work with spandsp-0.0.6
- Closes issue #13688. Reported by and patched by irroot.

* chan_h323 with H323Plus for TRUNK (SVN rev. 89183)
- Closes issue #11261. Reported by vhatz. Patched by jthurman.

* Wrong usage of sscanf with use of uninitialized variable caused accidental
parsing of RTP/SAVP
- Closes issue #14000. Reported and patched by folke.

* Realtime peers are never qualified after 'sip reload'
- Closes issue #14196. Reported, tested, and patched by pdf.

Thank you for your continued support of Asterisk!

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[asterisk-announce] Asterisk-Addons 1.6.1.0 Now Available

The Asterisk Development Team is pleased to announce the release of
Asterisk-Addons 1.6.1.0. Asterisk-Addons 1.6.1.0 is available for immediate
download at http://downloads.digium.com/pub/asterisk/

This release maintains compatibilty of the Asterisk-Addons package with the
Asterisk 1.6.1 series of releases, since it is possible for API changes to
occur between 1.6.x releases. Additionally, several minor issues have been
resolved.

For a summary of the changes in this release, please see the release summary:

http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk-addons/tags/1.6.1.0/asterisk-addons-1.6.1.0-summary.txt

For a full list of changes in this release, please see the ChangeLog:

http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk-addons/tags/1.6.1.0/ChangeLog

For those upgrading from previous versions, it is advisable to review the
UPGRADE.txt file:

http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk-addons/tags/1.6.1.0/UPGRADE.txt

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[asterisk-announce] Asterisk-Addons 1.4.8 Now Available

The Asterisk Development Team is pleased to announce the release of
Asterisk-Addons 1.4.8. Asterisk-Addons 1.4.8 is available for immediate
download at http://downloads.digium.com/pub/asterisk/

This is a minor release with a single fix for chan_ooh323c from issue
#14116, which could cause a crash within the channel driver. If you
are not using chan_ooh323c, there is no need to upgrade.

For a full list of changes in this release, please see the ChangeLog:

http://svn.digium.com/svn/asterisk-addons/tags/1.4.8/ChangeLog

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Miles Scruggs wrote:

> I think you maybe shocked to see what a full rate deck actually looks
> like. A complete deck (if it is competitive) can be upwards of 300,000
> lines. If you have a termination provider that is selling US 48 at a
> flat rate with no restrictions they either aren't doing it to every
> market, or it is way over priced. (If anyone out there wants to
> terminate the US 48 with no restrictions for $0.01/min I have a little
> over 1,000,000 per day to send you)
>
> What really gets me is all the different ways that international is
> done, and the fact that most sheets give you names instead of dialing
> codes. Names are next to useless when trying to rate a call and every
> carrier has a different name for each dialing code compared to the
> next carrier out there. In short being competitive with your rates,
> and billing calls isn't not trivial which is why some billing software
> alone runs upwards of $100,000.
>
> None of these are great reasons for not publishing a deck, but the
> average person buying termination doesn't want to bother with a
> 300,000 line long rate deck.

That's ok -- don't publish it! But when I'm your customer, I want your
rates, all of them, in a computer-digestable format, and easily updatable.
If you are giving me a flat rate, I want to see that in the rate deck. If
you want to publish something different to the public, great! But as a
customer, I want the full rate deck for EVERY destination supported, so I
don't have to manually update the rates you left out because you didn't
consider the US worthy of inclusion.

I understand some do full npanxx, but most I deal with (I'm a small fry
compared to your 1M minutes per day) give me a flat blended rate, and I
want to know what I can and cannot terminate to and at what cost.

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[asterisk-biz] All Termination Companies Suck (was Re: Dear Termination Providers, )

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, John Todd wrote:

> On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 14:35 -0700, John Todd wrote:
>>> It is almost always contradictory to provider's best interests to
>>> make their rate sheets easy to import or understand.
>>
>> I dunno, if people are providing a good service at a fair price, then
>> its in the providers interest to make it easier, not harder, for more
>> people to get that info and thus use that provider.
>
> I agree, yes, that in theory competitive carriers would give you the
> prices up front.

Thread hijackers. This was about including all countries in your rate
deck (NDA or no NDA), not about how billing is done.

You're all fired. ;-)

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

Like the industry that does opposite, using tiered decks with cherry
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Also the industry of taking open source and selling skinned versions of
things.

And so on..
If one puts 6/6 and does 30/6 it's not the same, but we do 30/6 for anyone ,
takes care of the spam sequential dialers, and cheap 0.0001 hunters, we evne
charge 0.005 per connection , no per minute cost for 800 numbers, this takes
care of abusive clients taking a on demand plan , using 400 channels for
toll free termination and using our other clients resources.

Overall, better service, less resources used, and happier clients.

-----Original Message-----
From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Kevin P. Fleming
Sent: April-27-09 11:53 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

Jared Smith wrote:

> I hate to admit it, but I'm now a firm believer that most carriers in
> the business of selling minutes are purposefully deceptive, or at a
> minimum almost completely incompetent. I'm also a firm believer that
> they feel justified in doing so because their customers rarely challenge
> them on it. (It's human nature to want to avoid auditing the phone
> bill... When is the last time you did this?)

There is an entire industry devoted to doing just that; they keep a
percentage of what they save customers, and they make LOTS of money.

--
Kevin P. Fleming
Digium, Inc. | Director of Software Technologies
445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA
skype: kpfleming | jabber: kpfleming@digium.com
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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

Jared Smith wrote:

There is an entire industry devoted to doing just that; they keep a
percentage of what they save customers, and they make LOTS of money.

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Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,

On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 22:20 -0700, John Todd wrote:
> Why is this? My belief (which is based on painful experience) is that
> they will always overcharge by 3%-15% because of data slop, and they
> will make it as difficult as possible for you to argue the cost
> delta. It's a way of bleeding the clueless. If you're smart, you'll
> know how to catch them at this game. If you're a sloppy carrier who
> doesn't care or thinks that it doesn't matter, they'll double their
> profit on you.

I couldn't agree more. I once had the opportunity (in a previous job)
to turn up accounts with several different long-distance providers, run
several hundred thousand calls through each one, and then compare their
advertised rates to the bill that came at the end of the month.

We had seven providers that passed our initial screen process and went
on to real-world testing. Of those, only *one* actually billed what
they said they would. (And, even more surprising... they were the most
communicative and by far the best to work with.) Three of the seven
providers over-billed us by more than 25%!

The most common issue I found with overbilling was carriers were
claiming to do six-second or one-second increment billing, but actually
charging for full minutes. Other common issues included charging for
uncompleted calls, claiming a flat rate but charging a blended rate, or
charging completely different rates than their rate table specified.

I hate to admit it, but I'm now a firm believer that most carriers in
the business of selling minutes are purposefully deceptive, or at a
minimum almost completely incompetent. I'm also a firm believer that
they feel justified in doing so because their customers rarely challenge
them on it. (It's human nature to want to avoid auditing the phone
bill... When is the last time you did this?)

In short -- you've got the tools to be able to audit your carrier and
see how well they're living up to their promised rates. Do your
homework, and you might save more money than you realize.

--
Jared Smith
Training Manager
Digium, Inc.

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